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Antiques Thread: Can anyone help date this?

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    Can anyone help date this?

    This was found just over 30 years ago in a cellar in Birmingham it has been cleaned up as it was filthy and rusty. It is extremely heavy, a nice object though.
         



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    Fantastic object.

    Problem is, is it part of a film set or is it real.

    I would have to see the item first before I post my opinion.

    Eric Knowles is in Southport on Saturday Antique Road Show Fame. I am sure he would love to see it. Drop it in the shop and we can both have a view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theantiquesman View Post
    Fantastic object.

    Problem is, is it part of a film set or is it real.

    I would have to see the item first before I post my opinion.

    Eric Knowles is in Southport on Saturday Antique Road Show Fame. I am sure he would love to see it. Drop it in the shop and we can both have a view.
    Very many thanks I will certainly Popover with it
    Thank you
    Kind regards
    Sarah

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarah3645 View Post
    Very many thanks I will certainly Popover with it
    Thank you
    Kind regards
    Sarah
    It was great to meet you,

    shame it was not genuine .

    This may help you know something about the bludgeoning weapon you own.





    Flails
    The military flail or simply flail is a weapon commonly attributed to the Middle-Ages but for which only a limited amount of historical evidence currently exists for most of this era.

    In spite of the lack of frequent historical reference to use of flails, the weapon (sometimes called mace and chain or ball and chain) was a stock figure in Victorian Era Medievalist literature and thus has become entrenched in popular medieval fantasy and thus the medievalist imagination.

    Typically, the weapon is depicted as one (or more) weights attached to a handle with a hinge or chain. Modern authors have used multiple conflicting names for this weapon: the "mace and chain" is the equivalent of the German "morning star and chain" referred to above, but the latter term is rarely used in English. Additionally, the English terms "morning star" (a rigid haft topped with a spiked ball), and even "mace" (a bludgeoning weapon similar to a morning star), which properly refer to non-chained weapons, have also been used to refer to the military flail.

    Throughout the Middle-Ages, agricultural flails were sometimes employed as an improvised weapon by peasant armies conscripted into military service or engaged in popular uprisings.

    Another in the Royal Armories collection has two spiked iron balls attached by separate chains

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    Thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by theantiquesman View Post
    It was great to meet you,

    shame it was not genuine .

    This may help you know something about the bludgeoning weapon you own.


    Hi John, it was great to meet you at your fantastic shop. Very many thanks for looking at my object, found it very interesting the process you went through to determine it was a reproduction. My husband and I are coming over to Southport again on Friday as I really wanted to look round your shop, I am very much interested in all antiques, my husband militaria. Looking forward to seeing the great items you have in your shop.
    Kind regards
    Sarah


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